Intro

It was widely briefed that the main focus of Sir Keir Starmer’s speech in Yorkshire today was his plan to do away with Whitehall red tape. What was kept under wraps was the Prime Minister’s plans for the NHS – specifically to scrap NHS England. In a bid to tackle bureaucracy in the health service, the PM this morning told reporters that the ‘arms-length NHS’ needed to go – adding that the move will ‘shift money to the front line’ and free the health service to ‘focus on patients’. What's the point of abolishing NHS England? And are Labour 'doing the things that the Tories only dreamed of'? 

Lucy Dunn speaks James Heale and Michael Gove. 

Produced by Oscar Edmondson and Megan McElroy.