In a more liberal culture, do you feel like being divorced is stigmatized? Or do you feel that that's sort of a thing of the past? Both, I think. Certainly when it was coming up and in a way, it's sort of funny way. And part of it has to do with what you're saying about it feeling like in a way,. Like everyone's like, yeah, of course it's common. It's totally common. But another thing that is really common among people in this club are feelings of enormous shame and humiliation and embarrassment.

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