Graham: I think the debate should happen but you need to find academics who are one. Peter Hotez seems pretty knowledgeable but he doesn't handle himself very well on conversations so I wish that more academics would practice that outreach because at the end of the day if whatever you're studying in academia you know dies on the walls of your classroom what's the point of anything you're doing right? Graham: This is a very big frustration that I have. When I have to argue against a lot of these people I have spent a lot of time reading research reading studies spending time on Wikipedia figuring out like I've learned so much shitBecause it's not my area of expertise right.

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