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Ways to Change the World with Krishnan Guru-Murthy

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The Importance of Embracing the Symbolic and Substantial

Do you think we see these firsts as much more significant than in fact they are? Are these men outliers, all women, who are not as significant in their moment as we think that they are? No, I think it's really important to distinguish between the symbolic and substantial. It can be great symbolically that Obama is the president of America. But then there's the substance, well, what is actually going to change? And that's the thing that's in play.

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