I think that there's the one hand where on the personal level, when we don't talk about it, we kind of don't get what we want. But then there's also these really big societal problems with that too, right? Like being stigmatized and feeling shame leads to prejudice. It leads to people not reporting crimes because they feel like that is shameful. All of these issues arise at their core from us feeling like this is not a subject that we can talk about. So that's a huge problem that I think is really important to get past.

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