Is There a Middle Ground Between the Infrastructure and the Application Builders?

Cypher pung: I think when we talk to developers, Cypher pungs, a lot of kind of investors as well, they are really excited about infrastructure and diversity of infrastructure. But so my perspective is that everyone that comes in thinking we're going to build with a web to web 2.5 mindset quickly realizes that we're not ready for that yet. We want to come into the space and they don't have to spend, you know, 10 months or a year on boarding and ramping up in terms of their knowledge. So I definitely think there's a middle ground that we need to reach. It's important to make it as easy as possible but at the

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