Have you seen any positive game and volume trends? I think it's pretty stable. It is not creeped into DeFi in mass. We have 24 to 36 months before we get any regulatory cover. If this starts to pick up again, then you'll bring the guys back from vacation and say it's time. You see a spark of real interest in any region, whether it's Asia, the US, or for whatever reason, in some sub pocket. The things you're monitoring, your green shoots, obviously we've set out your timeline.

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