The average American has probably been on about 20 times as many video cals in the last several months. So either we get people to do it more, or we get to do it less. But i think there are many people for whom being on som actually probly enhances their fear they're speaking without any audience cues. And so maybe a slight silver lining of covid will have been that we all become slightly better public speakers,. When we can all go back out in public, we will all be awesome and gloss phobia will be a thing of the past.