Don't underestimate the power of human engineering at ASML, says Tom. There's always been a huge amount of uncertainty about what this company's going to look like and what the semiconductor industry might look like five or ten years out. The driver is to keep bringing through innovations that have kept advancing Moore's Law many years beyond when people thought it would die. A very interesting and diverse set of risks there. This was an excellent conversation, I really learned so much from you all. To find more episodes of Moderna click here.

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