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The Heart Problem of Consciousness
When we have two of these conscious agents interacting, they actually satisfy the definition of a conscious agent. So in fact, one way to think about what I'm saying, I'm postulating with my colleagues,. There is one big conscious agent, infinitely complicated. But fortunately, for analytic purposes, we can break it down all the way to, in some sense, the simplest conscious agent which has one conscious experience and that's it. That's how you get space time and physical objects entirely from a theory of conscious agents outside of space time.