Ignorance is simply the absence of knowledge. According to rama nuja, who is a theist, the ultimate reality has many qualities. There is no such thing as nirguna brahman without any characteristics. And so overcoming agana is not possible. If there is such a maya, which you are speaking about, beginning les maa, there is no possibility of going beyond this ma if it is there,. You're forever trapped in it. Non dualism. He's gone. I remember, it's not related. But funny, a many, many years ago, when we we become monks, and these young people who become monks have tremendous opposition among