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13: The Journalist and the Analyst: On Janet Malcolm feat. Sam Adler-Bell

Ordinary Unhappiness

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Sam Adler Bell Patrick on the Masculinity Episode

Abby Cluchin: I have to tell you that I actually feel like I've never, I haven't told that many people this, but this is how I met Patrick. He was a panelist in the, it was about masculinity and vulnerability. Like talk about over determined. Yeah. But I don't know, it's, it's rare. It's very interesting for me to listen to the two of you. You are listening to ordinary and happiness, a podcast about psychoanalysis, politics, pop culture and the ways we suffer now.

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