I would say that things have certainly become more vicious In every sense in the last 10 or 15 years I mean so here's one kind of manifestation of this. Making false and unfounded and ridiculous claims is not only You know politically Acceptable it's actually politically effective. It seems as though, you know, plenty of plenty of voters No longer regarded as a fatal defect in their politicians that they talk nonsense Say things that are just plainly not you know that are plainly not true.

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