In this excerpt from the CAFE Insider podcast, Preet Bharara and Joyce Vance discuss the meeting between Trump’s defense lawyers and DOJ prosecutors as Special Counsel Jack Smith’s Mar-A-Lago documents investigations nears the end. Who would be in attendance? Would a plea deal be discussed? And how did Preet and Joyce handle such meetings when they were U.S. Attorneys?

In the full episode, Preet and Joyce continue their discussion of the Mar-A-Lago case, including reports of new evidence that speaks to Trump’s state of mind, potential charges prosecutors could bring, and Trump’s likely defenses. They also discuss the embarrassing incident of a lawyer who relied on ChapGPT for legal research and cited made-up cases in a legal document submitted to the court.

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