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Out of Creative Control: Bret Speaks with Matt Orfalea on the DarkHorse Podcast
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Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton
"I believe it is functionally impossible to do it through the parties. I believe Trump demonstrated you could go around the party and decapitate a party temporarily," he said. "Bernie was in a position to do the same thing to the same thing same thing but he he held back a bit."
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