If a country is not going to succeed in successful democratization and economic reform without being a member of the europe union and nato, then it's unlikely to succeed. I am certainly not arguing against western assistance, economic treaties with ukraine. Everything possible to help ukrane develop in that in that direction by all means. But in the end, it comes down to the ukranians themselvese. How likely do you think war is and what do you think that'll look like on the ground? So, for example, an attempted coup, incursion into eastern ukraine and attack on kie or a full scale invasion. And i told not to kick us

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