Scaling a Product Security Team?

I'm also a fan of having, depending on your scale and size, having some development and application teams hiring their own security. Specialists that belong to them. That doesn't mean they're still not working with some central entity that is the security team. But that also works on the sense that they are already hired to secure that application. So you're not having to embed people into there. You're working directly with them and like that a lot. And I think to your point, then we're scaling from that perspective as well,. The first thing in the maturity step is first you've got to know what you don't know. How quickly do you react to your findings? Are

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