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Conversations in cafes: all hail the greasy spoon

The Food Programme

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How to Run a Calf

Oral Kazem is a Turkish Cypriot who has worked in catering for 40 years. He and his daughter Leyla used to work at the original Kazem's cafe, Woolwich. Oral says he was proud that you were with me but there were times when he felt 'should I be putting her through this? But then sometimes you have to feel the pain to get the gain'

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