"You're not open to changing your mind so be aware of that because you're doing a very primitive thing which is you've stopped playing with ideas intellectually and you're now playing with them tribally," she says. "The worst thing you can do is actually pander to the people you disagree with because it's popular or because you're scared not to" She also talks about how we should speak out against tribalism, killing our ability to have productive discussions as a wise person would say. 'I'm trying to push back against that collective stupidity for the future'

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