The Challenges of De-Risking

Elliot: John, I know you have some podcasts in the works too. Yes, I was able to sit down with our friend now who's done a few with us Liz Vercaro, who's a lawyer with antiquities coalition. We went into a deeper dive on the recent art study for 2022 that the art Basel Committee in conjunction with the UBS public so Liz has some interesting takes on that. And then later on this week, we'll post it in a few weeks, going to have a video cast with interaction. Interaction is a group that works on de-risking issues, particularly as it impacts humanitarian groups.