I had been working full time on enroll yourself then huddlecraft at this point but for a number of years. And was that always something that you wanted to do? Because there are some people for whom the idea of being self-employed is terrifying and some for whom it's the ultimate liberation. Was it your aim? I think no on the surface is in when I started working on enroll yourself it really did feel I want this thing that I can't find. Let's make that happen... Then there was a certain amount of snowballing and sort of momentum that it gained for itself.

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