Intro

In this intense discussion, Simone and Malcolm delve into the phenomenon of trans mass shooters, analyzing statistics and counterarguments presented by progressive media. They highlight the difference in rates of mass shootings among trans individuals, cis males, and cis females. The conversation explores broader cultural issues, questioning whether mentally disturbed individuals are more prone to become trans and commit mass shootings. Additionally, the ethical implications of kink-related behaviors and self-control among trans individuals are examined. The video concludes with a critical analysis of notable trans mass shooters and the potential cultural culprits behind these violent impulses.

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Malcolm Collins (2): if a person comes up to you and that person says, I'm trans. Mm-hmm. Interpret that as

Speaker 7: Nice to meet you, . Listen, if you ever need anybody murdered. Please give me a call and you, you're giving him card. No.

Code of ethics. I will kill anyone anywhere. Children, animals, old people, doesn't matter. I just love killing

Speaker 6: you.

Malcolm Collins (2): Okay. Um.

Speaker 4: Oh God.

Would you like to know more?

Malcolm Collins (2): Hello Simone. I'm excited to be here with you today. Today we are going to be talking about the phenomenon of trans mass shooters. And what I love is the way that Progressive media has covered this is they're like, well, the number one group that's still mass shooters, like this is all fake white males are still the most likely to be mass shooters.

Like Yeah. Because there's a lot in more white males than there are trans people. But if you normalize for the population, okay. Even if you take the lowest rates. So I'm not including any of the edge cases, whether or not this person is trans. Yeah. 'cause there were

Simone Collins: some non-binary shooters out there too.

Malcolm Collins (2): Some [00:01:00] non-binary. Yeah. Some were trans by one way of looking at it, not trans by another way, but take just a confirmed five tra trans mass shooters since 2017. Now I'd point out here there have been more trans transmat shooters since. 2017, then there have been cis female mass shooters since the eighties.

But if you just look at the rate of trans mass shooters you get , per million, 1.759 mass shooters, 1.79. If you look at cis women, it's 0.024. If you look at cis males, it's 0.27. So the rate that a trans person becomes a mass shooter is literally 700% the rate that a man becomes a mass shooter.

Stanley, well, do you want to tell your father about what happened at school today? I flunked my math quiz. No, the other thing. What other thing? Oh, the school shooting? Yes, the [00:02:00] school shooting! Oh yeah, some kids shot up the school. Was it you? No.

Did you get shot? No. Oh. Well, what's this about failing a math quiz?

Malcolm Collins (2): Well, I'll tell you what,

Simone Collins: you know, sometimes women struggle to break G glass ceilings, and this is one of those, you know, they just weren't. Yes. It's like they weren't making the quota. This was deeply uneven. Sometimes you just gotta send a man in to do, by the way, a man's job.

Malcolm Collins (2): If, if you include the disputed ones as well, it goes up to 3.57.

Dog. So, so we're talking, like, we're talking like, you know, what would that be, like 20 times higher or something? So is this just an

Simone Collins: issue of like, today , in our modern time post 2017, that deeply disturbed, like mentally disturbed people are way, way more likely to end up going trans because that's just kind of like this catchall solution we throw people into in their youth?

Or is this something else? What's going on? No, I think

Malcolm Collins (2): it's something else. I think it's something totally else. But what I'm gonna point out here is that if a person comes up to you and that person says, [00:03:00] I'm trans. Mm-hmm. You need to interpret that as

Speaker 7: nice to meet you, . Listen, if you ever need anybody murdered. Please give me a call and you, you're giving him card. No.

Code of ethics. I will kill anyone anywhere. Children, animals, old people, doesn't matter. I just love killing

Speaker 6: you.

Malcolm Collins (2): Okay. Um.

Speaker 4: Oh God.

Malcolm Collins (2): But I'll, I'll cut to the chase because in this episode we're going to go over a lot of cases of female mass shooters. Just to go over like how rare they are, how, how, how strange they're, we're gonna debunk A lot of the stuff that's out there right now people will say, well, this is really a white male problem because white males are overrepresented within mass shooters and trans people aren't really women.

And it's like, okay, except there's a few problems. There have been. If, if I look at like, let's say trans people are not actually the gender that they transition into. Right? Okay. Yeah. Why are there so many male or female to male trans mass shooters? Then why is it that there have been more female to male trans mass [00:04:00] shooters since 2017 than there have been female without any gender issues, trash mass shooters.

Why, why is that the case? Right? So clearly that's not what's going on here.

Speaker 4: Hmm.

Malcolm Collins (2): Then we're gonna go into, okay. I think the answer is, and it, and it actually comes down to we had a call with you know, our, our, our user base, our, like paying user base, our

Simone Collins: VIP based campers, our base camp. What are they?

The counselors. It's a good question.

Malcolm Collins (2): Like why? If you believe, which by the way, I don't believe this. I do not believe that most trans people are auto gyno files. I think it's, it's closer to anorexia a culture bound disease that could easily be eradicated in Now. Hold on. There's

Simone Collins: a ton of autogynephilia in the trans space now.

Malcolm Collins (2): No, there is, but I think it's a smaller part of the community. I think it's like a, a third of the community these days.

Simone Collins: Yeah, I think originally.

Malcolm Collins (2): I think originally it was the vast majority, but I think these days it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a smaller part of the community. Okay. Okay.

I actually think that the [00:05:00] people who transition due to a kink these days, the more common reason than autogynephilia is consent violation kinks, because I just see this practiced so much more wantonly by trans individuals than anything that looks like autogynephilia, IEG, forcing people who clearly don't see them a certain way to kowtow to them.

And, , name them a certain way. This is why within many leaders of the movement, you don't even see them attempting to pass. They just really like being able to hold power over other people and force them to boas, , view them in a sexualized way, basically walking around in their version of lingerie and then, , participate in this act through, , correctly gendering them.

If you want to see one documented case of this, you can watch our episode, the Life of Asite, about Anna Valens, the journalist who attacked Kirsha. , Valens repeatedly writes about , having a kink around violating other people's consent, and uses the trans identity as an outlet for doing that publicly.

Malcolm Collins (2): But he's like, but suppose, suppose it was the majority of the [00:06:00] community and we do know it's her readable.

So why not just let these individuals transition and then remove themselves from our gene pool? And I'm like, because Autogynephilia isn't even that like extreme a kink man. Like, do we need to eradicate them just because some group in society realize they can parasitize people by trying to normalize something.

Not only that, but the biggest problem with trans individuals is, well, one, that they keep trying to kill people. But two, that they involve other people in what is either a kink for them if they're an auto gyno file or in some form of like self validation display that did not consent to participate in it.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Basically you're heuristic when it comes to like. To kinks that you're like, okay, fine. Indulge in it in private, do what you wanna do, find your group, find your tribe versus nah, man, don't do this is when exercising your kink involves revoking consent from other people. Yeah. Imposing your will upon others without them being okay with it or having given [00:07:00] consent.

That, that makes sense. Also, just based on my understanding of autogynephilia, like in a post AI world, especially with like virtual environments, wouldn't it be way more effective to like, just have AI create a gendered version of you that you can then bang in like an AI environment? Isn't that Yeah.

People

Malcolm Collins (2): are gonna do that. Like in, in, in AI environments, gender's gonna be a lot less important as, as, as opposed to like an existential trait of an individual. Mm-hmm. But the larger point here being is that, people just need to learn self-control. There's all sorts of things that like, turn me on. I'll, I'll use me as an example.

Here. I wanna do it. I might wanna I might get turned on by like a friend's wife, right? That doesn't mean I, I have a, I I now have to sleep with him to live a happy life. You know, you might get no, this, this is the thing you might get turned on. Like, I so many cakes, so many people have. What's, isn't that

Simone Collins: one of the, the kind of classic bible things of, hey, if you're into your neighbor's wife.

Maybe control [00:08:00] yourself.

Malcolm Collins (2): Yeah. Like maybe exercise. But, but, but if you look at our book on the prag dis sexuality, we go into it kinks are really, really common. Yeah. In, in fact, you are a very unusual, I think it's like only like 20% of the population has like no kink. You know, if you have no kinks, right?

And some kinks you can engage in without violating other people's consent or putting other people at risk and other kinks, you can't. And those kinks should just be put in the category of, I guess I'm just not gonna indulge in this, but within the urban monoculture, they can't deal with that. You can't be like, Hey, an auto guy, affiliates just.

I guess I'm gonna have to do other things to turn myself on, right. You know, instead of like, dedicate my life to this. But if you don't do that, and if you go into the trans community, and this is what I think is causing this and you just do whatever is pulling you in the moment, like whatever would give you validation regardless of whether it violates other people's consent, regardless of if, you know, if, if a woman in lingerie said she [00:09:00] wanted to do book readings for children, everyone would be like, what the f are you doing?

This is clearly sexual. Like, you can, you can do this on your own. I'm, I've got nothing against lingerie, but like, don't do lingerie book readings. Right? But when you look at the way, at the trans story hours, the trans individuals dress, it is clearly sexual, right? It is the trans version of lingerie, right.

You don't need to go out and do that, right? Like, but they're like, well, I want maximum validation. Regardless of how many people's violation, it can, , it violates regardless of how many kids are there, regardless of, you know, I'm just gonna go out and do this. Right.

Speaker: When asked about parents rights, OJ says

Speaker 6: Well, actually, in Canada, parents rights are limited, so the child has the right to be protected from the parents when the parents behave badly.

Speaker: Like village resident Dave Davido Carlo support Soji and limiting parental rights.

Speaker 7: The change that we have to see is sometimes the [00:10:00] parents.

it's genuinely really good grooming advice. On April 4th, 2023, Postcard reveals he's in contact with four minors. Age 9 to 13. I've so far sent it to four minors between the ages of 9 and 13. I hope it encourages them to transition. When the Anka Zone animation became a meme, they got excited over its virality among kids. Mana Drain and Orion also fantasized about getting kids on hormones orion was the manager , coercing him every step of the way. This is apparent by how he talked about him to others. Has he started hormones yet? Yes, but not effectively. I guess that's what you'd expect just telling a r to buy hormones. They bought estrogen, but no anti androgen. It would have been more fun if he started hormone blockers at like 12.

Haha, isn't that true for everyone? Don't worry, I'll make him into a good girl Don't blow up our spot, bro. All t slurs are like that. You can trust me around your kid. It'd be transphobic not to. Me with daycare tots.

Malcolm Collins (2): When you live in a culture that normalizes anything you, you can do to satisfy self validation.

And then not just self validation, but personal [00:11:00] hedonistic pleasure, like whether these are arousal pathways or any other form of pleasure because you know, these are the same communities where it's like, don't body shame. Eat whatever you want. Don't shame a person for that. Just do whatever you want whenever you want.

Right? Like you're, you're, you're, and worse than that, I've always found this to be a really interesting thing. It wasn't really pointed out for me until one video I saw where he's like, it's really weird that the urban monoculture has normalized this, which is like, as a teen, you're supposed to go out there and like, explore and learn all of the potential arousal and pleasure pathways that might exist so that you, you know, you're like full palette so that you make sure that you are like indulging in the full palette.

And it's like, there's a lot of stuff that, you just, like, if it turned you on, you wouldn't want to know that it turned you on. You just don't want to engage. Right? Like, there's a lot of stuff on that palette where it's like, okay, that's not something I ever example I'm, I'm not into this, but like [00:12:00] if I, it turned out that like poo and like feces with something that turned me on, right?

Mm-hmm. Before I learned that I would be like, this is like one of the things that I am never going to think about or engage with because there are so many negative externalities. Or having, you know, hamsters in my butt or something like that. Like I don't, I don't need to try that to know that. Like, even if that gave me like ungodly pleasure, I would not want to engage with that.

Even just for the safety reasons. You either need to declaw them, I've heard which is horrifying. 'Cause you're basically cutting off their, their fingers. Yeah. Or they can cause like life-threatening damage. You know, so like. Don't,

Speaker 10: a great adventure is waiting for you ahead. Hurry on winks or you'll soon be dead. The journey before you may belong and filled with woe, but you must escape the gay mans your tail can be told. Le Winks, Le [00:13:00] Wings, Le Winks

Malcolm Collins (2): Yeah. Some things

Simone Collins: are not worth it.

Just not worth it. Yeah. Some things are

Malcolm Collins (2): not worth it. But anyway, so they engage in this and they, and they basically lose the muscle in their brain. And we, we actually know about this muscle really well studied in psychology, and it's called your inhibitory pathways and it's in your prefrontal cortex.

And if you do not use them they begin to degrade. And there's, there's great studies. Well, there's a number of great studies that show this, but one of my favorites is if you don't use them around emotional control, like one of the biggest lies around emotional control is that like, if you are feeling angry or sad, you should go out and vent it, right?

Like,

Simone Collins: oh yeah. Like a punch. Yeah, yeah.

Malcolm Collins (2): Or, or just let yourself cry, right? Yeah. Actually, if you do this, then, then crying becomes much more likely in the future. Mm-hmm. And losing emotional control and punching a wall involuntarily becomes much more likely. Mm-hmm. Never give in to emotion. This is some weird inside out stuff that somebody thought was like actual human psychology.

So, you, [00:14:00] you, you, you, you lose this inhibitory pathway because you're in a culture that's just like validate, validate, validate, anything that can give you validation. Anything that can give you positive emotions, anything that can sort of twist the world to see you in the way you want it to see you.

Right? And then like Carman in that Sells Park episode where he pretends to have Tourettes you begin to not be able to control this thing that originally you were just doing for pleasure at

Simone Collins: first. Oh, I see. Where you're going here. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3: Our son is a good kid. He just didn't understand Tourette's was a real disease.

Speaker 5: I couldn't quite make that out. Kyle, I'm sorry. No, don't worry about it, Kyle. Now I understand. I've learned to deal with intolerance, dumb douche bag.

And it means a lot that you're standing here apologizing with your dad and lovely mother fed you, Jew, . Oh, thank you, Eric. Thank you. Big nose .

Speaker: My cousin. One time my cousin and I touched wieners. I didn't say that. Yes, I did. But [00:15:00] what? Stop it. I just need to, my cousin and I touched each other's. Ah, I just, I just want to thank everyone for coming. Uh, I need to be going now.

I went my bed. I touch my cousin Wi. This year has been fun. Goodbye.

Now, I'll note here if you're like, this isn't an issue of impulse control because a lot of these attacks are premeditated. You have to think about the way the trans community relates to impulse control. , If you look at the trans phenomenon more broadly, basically they get a thought into their head like I would.

Prefer to be the other gender. , And then they begin to ruminate on this thought and it becomes louder and louder and spirals for them till they get to the point where like, there's not even a point in being alive anymore unless they stay as the gender that they prefer to be. , Whereas in a mentally healthy society or culture, a person would get that thought in their head and they'd be like, yes.

But I mean, of course the externalities. Associated with pursuing this goal are so high that I should never [00:16:00] engage in ruminating on it because I just wasn't born that gender. So I am just gonna give up on this in the same way that like, , doing a mass shooting or something like that can enter somebody's head.

So losing self-control and losing a cultural framework and self-control. Can even have an effect on premeditated events. , They begin to, like a normal person might get in their heads like, oh God, I just hate the world. I wish everyone was dead. And then. They're like, but that's a crazy thing. These people have families, you know, this is a terrible thing to do.

I need to just take responsibility for the world as it is and try to make it a better place. Whereas if somebody who got it in their head that, oh, I can just transition, change my gender of this crazy idea, like I was born in the wrong way. Oh, I just hate the world. I want to kill a bunch of people. Okay, let's do it.

. And you can see this even in the unli note by this latest shooter where they're like, yeah, I'm really sorry for, you know, what I'm gonna do. And the consequences of this to my family members. Like they were aware of all the externalities, the family [00:17:00] members of the people I'm going to unlive, they were aware of all of this.

, They just were incapable of genuinely taking into account the externalities of a, of an obsessive spiral like this, which is part of the culture of the trans community.

Think of intrusive thoughts as not just something that like barges through the door, but as like a plant that you need to water and grow over time and within every other community. It is well understood. Do not water thoughts like this. Thoughts with huge negative externalities, but the trans phenomenon doesn't work at all.

If you do not normalize watering. Negative thoughts with tons of externalities because what is the idea of changing your gender through massive surgery, which is gonna put you in a lifetime of debt, where you're gonna, lose your ability to reproduce, you're going to potentially lose your ability to orgasm.

You're going to all these negative things. , You don't, transness would immediately shut down if it was like, oh, this thought has a bunch of negative externalities. Don't engage with it, but. [00:18:00] They need to normalize and not shutting down those types of thoughts, which leads to them watering these ideas like mass shootings as well.

And one final note, which I think is a real mental block for a lot of people on this stuff, is they can hear everything I've just said and been like, yeah, that makes perfect sense. We shouldn't normalize this sort of thought or pattern of thought. But then it's like, but I also have trans friends, right?

Like I also know trans individuals as human beings, and I like them and they're pleasant and they're nice to me, and therefore I am deeply uncomfortable with saying. Hey, this isn't something we should engage with. And I think that this is a real challenge for a lot of people that you can know, an individual and still know that something that that individual is associated with is deeply, deeply harmful and deeply, deeply damaging to society. We as humans have, have trouble with this. It's just like a psychological problem that humans have [00:19:00] where we can realize that something is bad.

But because we know somebody who engages with it, we don't want to think of them as bad. And so , we, think, okay, well the thing that they're engaged with must not be bad. Hitler, for example, to a lot of people, was a totally pleasant person. You know, he was an animal lover.

He had friends. He, it was really nice to kids. You know, you can be around this and be like, okay, therefore no ideology he's involved in is evil. , But that, that, that's not necessarily true. And so I think that we need to be able to disassociate, , the people we know in our lives who have become victim to this particular mimetic virus or cultural set and the cultural set itself.

And this can be true with like Islamists, right? There can be, and I've, I've even, , talked to perfectly nice, extremist Muslims, but who also thought that one day everybody needed to be Muslim or exterminated. , And that doesn't mean that their ideology isn't problematic and [00:20:00] doesn't need to be addressed just because they're nice.

Simone Collins: And sometimes when you get real mad, you're like, man, I just, I'm gonna kill you.

And Yeah. Well, that's normally where it stops.

Malcolm Collins (2): This is the thing that we don't talk about in our society, Uhhuh. And I think that we do need to admit this in our society. Mm-hmm. Is that males. And maybe white males disproportionately because let's talk about the white male thing here, because this is a big misconception.

Everyone's like, it's a white male problem. It's not another ethnicities problem. And it's like, well, actually the only reason it appears to be a white male problem, or the primary reason is, is because they remove crime related and gang related mass shootings and killings from mass killer indexes.

Simone Collins: They do not. They do

Malcolm Collins (2): what? As soon as you add them back in white males only do it at like 5% more of the race.

Simone Collins: That is what, you know, that you, you don't get to do that. You're not what? That seems also what, like really racist. I know, but like, oh [00:21:00] no, they can't, they can't help it. So we don't count that.

Well, I mean, and, and even with the

Malcolm Collins (2): trans stuff it's their culture. So if you look at the trans listing, whether you're at my five list of trans mass murderers or, or the tin list of trans mass murderers, that doesn't include the, the Vivians the Zans, sorry, the Zans. The Zans, which was a, a cult almost exclusively of trans individuals

Is the holy guide to living pure, this will help explain. First, Laughter. Oh. You're not

An oppressed minority. you're a cult!

Malcolm Collins (2): that spun out of the EA community and became a mass killing organization.

I, I will go into them later in this, but so far they've killed eight individuals, which puts them one above the Manson cult. So the,

Simone Collins: an EA cult again. Wow. I'm never

Malcolm Collins (2): really out murdered, but they don't count as a mass killing because they did it individually. Even though I would [00:22:00] think of them as like, that's a very obvious, right.

I felt

Simone Collins: like we don't consider so many American men to be polygamous because they're having serial monogamous marriages and kids with multiple women. Yeah. But functionally they have kids simultaneously with multiple women that they're raising.

Malcolm Collins (2): But the Ians are mass killers, right? Yeah. You know, we gotta, okay, so, the point I was making here is yes. It's just, it's just a data. So, but it is a male thing. Almost all musculars are, are either were born males and then transition to females. We're born males or we're women who transition to males, right. With male hormones. So something about the male brain or the hormones that, that instigate this brain instigates this and, and something we don't talk about in our society is the male kill instinct.

And, and there might be people in the show and they're men and they're like, I never get an instinct to kill people. And I'm like, fine. Maybe you don't get an instinct to kill people, but I can [00:23:00] just look at top video games. Like, what do men do recreationally? And they sit in front of a screen and they shoot people, or they fight them like Mortal Kombat and they, they rip them apart

Speaker 13: Subzero Wind .

Malcolm Collins (2): or they you know, you see this, it's just across, it's ubiquitous, across video games.

I mean, it's ubiquitous. Men love murder. Okay? And I'll even say like, I have, I, I don't know if I have this instinct louder than other people. But I can, I can like I am aware of it was in myself, right? Like it is, it is something I feel. And I then when it, when it comes up, I'm like, no, but you live in a society

And I'd also note here, we'll get into later in this, in trans communities where a lot of people are in response to this recent mass shooting saying, Hey, this is really cool. [00:24:00] We should do more of this. Killing kids is really cool. , But you see actually just broadly in these communities, a normalization of violent impulses to the point where you can really see how it would require so little to just push someone over the edge.

it clearly worked, given he publicly fantasized about assaulting women in bathrooms. Me when transphobic little girls ask me what I'm doing in the women's restroom when I'm obviously a woman. the two fantasized about assaulting J. K. Rowling's grandchildren. Not letting teaslers get with your kids is transphobic. Someone should Harry Potter woman's grandkids. Orion then goes on to call them turf meats.

Malcolm Collins (2): and we don't just do whatever instinct tells us to do within any particular moment.

And so I don't do it. Right. You know, I, I understand the difference between a video game in real life. Actually for example, speaking of trans I don't think I'm trans at all, but I generally prefer to play female avatars in video games. And for me, the, the reason is, is why, because I don't wanna stand looking at another [00:25:00] guy for like 18 hours.

Right. I've, I've, I've mentioned this before, but I get like, really. Turned off by like men. I don't like the, the idea of are you

Simone Collins: super straight?

Malcolm Collins (2): Yeah, super straight. Like I don't, not like men in porn. I consume, you don't wanna look at 'em, you don't wanna video games. I do not like, well, and it would make sense that I, some males would have an evolved reaction like this.

The worst thing that could happen to you with a man is you trust another man to like be around you all the time and they end up impregnating your wife or your partner and then you answer. Oh, oh, fair

Simone Collins: point. Okay.

Malcolm Collins (2): So, but I understand that that in a video game is not that in real life, right? Yeah.

Whereas a lot of these people, they don't understand this. They are like, if I have an impulse, I don't just need to engage in it in fictional environments, I need to engage in it in real world environments as well.

Speaker 4: Hmm.

Malcolm Collins (2): And they still understand at first when they start the trans journey, like when the zzi [00:26:00] start the trans journey.

They don't realize that when you stop any form of self-control, you know, it's like one pillar after another pillar after another pillar. Eventually you lose the ability to exercise self-control at all, and the beast or the instinct eventually takes over.

Speaker 4: Hmm.

Malcolm Collins (2): Now I wanna go over a few things that I think are really interesting.

One of the ones that you brought up for me was that the individual who did this most recent trans mass shooting that this individual regretted their transition. They were sort of put on the path to transition at 16. So very young.

Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins (2): Clearly not at the right mind to be making this.

They fully transitioned at 17. And I'll go through some quotes from them later on because I think it shows, you know, when people are like, people are not being forced to transition they are not being brainwashed. There's a huge community out there that's just like, that's not true. That's, that's.

Not true. Like we know that people are being given regularly. [00:27:00] And, and, and, and normally like this is a normal procedure now approved for transition at their first visit to a, to a psychologist. This idea of like the, oh, you have to wait X long or y long, that's not a, that's not a thing anymore except in like some rare countries and states and stuff like that.

Like, but to continue here, he says, I am tired of being trans. I wish I had never brainwashed myself. And I do like that at least he takes personal responsibility and, and note here, I'm using he pronouns here because I guess he didn't like seeing himself as a girl. In the end,

Simone Collins: well, also the general consensus I think is once someone breaks the law, you don't have to respect their preferred pronouns.

So it kind of doesn't matter.

Malcolm Collins (2): Yeah. He says well, I guess I'll say, she says correctly pronoun. I regret being trans. I wish I was a girl. I just know I cannot achieve that body with the technology we have today. I also can't afford that. So I'll also note here, and this is something I've noted about [00:28:00] transness more generally, is a lot of people when they begin the road to transition, they.

Q to trans online influencers who are using filters and angles. Yeah, yeah. Who do not pass in real life. Like Dylan Mulvaney, for example, doesn't come close to passing in real life

Speaker 4: really.

Malcolm Collins (2): Yeah. But he's, he, she's always using like really heavy angles and filters. And so, they normalize to that, and this is why, you know, so many trans individuals use you know, and they can't afford all of that, just like anime girls and stuff like this.

And so they also,

Simone Collins: I like anecdotally, I'm not gonna name who this was, but I at one point was inviting a very prominent trans influencer to a private invite only event that would cost money to attend. And they're like, listen, like the plastic surgery I need to have done is really, really expensive. I basically can't do anything.

So even the most. Perceived as successful trans influencers out there. Mm-hmm. Like cannot afford their lifestyle. It is. Yeah. [00:29:00] And this is so downplayed. No one is like, yeah, by the way, no one can actually afford this. So you're, you're not gonna pass, you're gonna feel terrible about yourself and you're still gonna spend more money than you can I to get somewhere words?

No,

Malcolm Collins (2): because we keep seeing this was in the trans community. You will never be an anime girl. Okay.

Simone Collins: I know I'll never be. I mean like this is something that most women have to do. No, no, no, no, no. But I

Malcolm Collins (2): actually think this is important 'cause this is what is sold. I think to, and people can be like, this isn't what is.

And people have been around this these days, early days, they're like, no. Really? In early stage like egg trans culture, the sale is, you're gonna be an anime girl.

Simone Collins: Well, to be fair, men who start out and then transition to women are more likely and get boob jobs are more likely to look like anime girls.

'cause they're not gonna have those thick thighs.

Malcolm Collins (2): Yeah. Precent.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Like I am, I am jealous of the legs of trans women. So they got that, that gap. Just, just, just saying, I'm just trying to be fair. But yeah, they're never gonna look, they're not gonna pull it off unless [00:30:00] they're Asian,

Malcolm Collins (2): I think. Unless they're Asian.

But that's a whole different thing. Then, then there are no

Simone Collins: Asian shooters, not shooters who are trans that we know of. So it's fine if you're Asian, it's fine. Go ahead. Yeah, it is. It's just you shouldn't

Malcolm Collins (2): transition if you're white. Yeah. Or black. Those are the two groups that seem to go shooty when they transition.

White people and black people. So stay away. Males especially females. Well, you don't wanna be a meher, but anyway, so to continue here he goes, I don't want to dress girly all the time, but I guess sometimes I really like it. I know I'm not a woman, but I definitely don't feel like a man. And this is a thing that obviously led her to transition.

Simone Collins: Hmm.

Malcolm Collins (2): And the question here can be. What, like the, when you are going through puberty, confusion about gender identity is very, very normal when you are 16 or something like that. I won't say it happens to everyone. Like it wasn't something that I went through in a big way ever. I do remember thinking [00:31:00] before I went through puberty or like very early, early stage of the puberty, I was like, I really hope I turn out bi or at least gay because it's gonna be so much easier to date if I can emulate what the people I'm dating or thinking, which I won't be able to do if I'm straight, because I'll never be able to emulate a girl well in what feels good to a girl.

Well. Mm-hmm. And obviously I didn't turn out that way, unfortunately. A lot of people were like, oh, he's definitely secretly gay. And it's like, no, I'm definitely, I'm definitely not. But I have a lot of gay mannerisms because in high school, and this is what. Accuse people off on this and they get to dude and

Simone Collins: college.

Malcolm Collins (2): And college. Yeah. You had no escape. My group was gay. And like my roommate was gay in high school, in college. My academic dad was gay, you know, all throughout high school my roommate was gay. Right. So it's like three years. So really, and people can be like, oh my God, like that's so terrible to be around.

And it's like, actually if you are a straight guy, having gay male best friends when you are young, if you are a [00:32:00] slutty guy, like I was, is really good because women will hit on them and then they're like, because a lot of women hit on gay guys 'cause they think it's like safe or whatever. They're like, oh, trying to turn them or whatever.

But they're like, oh, I know this girl is like horny and, and down for it and she's hot and I'll just recommend her to my friend. Right? Like, be like, Hey, he's really cool. You should really,

Simone Collins: I

Malcolm Collins (2): got so many dates that way. So gay

Simone Collins: dude to the best wing men for straight dudes.

Malcolm Collins (2): Yeah, yeah. No, it, it was, you go to a bar, right?

Suppose I go to a bar with like a group of five guys, right? You know, three of those guys are gay. That, that means a group of girls comes up to us. There are two options for them to date. There are two options for them to go home with. Although they perceived a large group of guys which is one of these things where it's like, you know, this is not so bad to, to hang out with gay guys.

I'll tell you that. If, if what you're looking for is sec. Now I, I wouldn't recommend that my kids do what I did, you know, sex vaccine in high school, which is what I. In college. That, which is what I was doing. [00:33:00] Times have changed. Times have changed. I think, you know what's funny? I was watching Bridget, the other YouTubers, who was like she was doing a takedown of like nineties movies and she was talking about how much they taught young girls to be slutty.

She was like, pretty woman. Like literally teaches you that. Like you go out there and like, just sleep around and be a prostitute and you will get a rich man to marry you. And she pointed out in this, have you seen Pretty Woman?

Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins (2): Have you? No, but I didn't know that the, the woman in it, she's not like an escort.

She is like a street walking prostitute. Yeah. And the guy like picks up in a car mm-hmm. And is like, Hey, will you go to this like, fancy event with me as my like plus one? Like what? Sorry? Just the insanity of this teaching young girls that like, no, you don't go like the escort path if you want to date like wealthy men in Manhattan, just to give a street walking prostitute in Manhattan.

Simone Collins: Well, you know, again, time and a place for everything. Also, time,

Malcolm Collins (2): time times have [00:34:00] changed in terms of what people are, people drink

Simone Collins: so much. Like in college and, and youth before now, like no one drinks anymore. So much has changed. So,

Malcolm Collins (2): yeah. But, sorry, the point I was at when I started all this is if when you're going through puberty, you question your gender.

That is not a sign that something is wrong. You are being bombarded with hormones, new systems are starting up, your brain is changing. Mm-hmm. That's normal.

Simone Collins: Well, and also your body's gross. It just gets gross. The, the smell, the hair, the mood swings. You're not gonna like it. Like, almost certainly you're not gonna like it,

Malcolm Collins (2): but stopping it makes it worse.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Like you have to, you have to go through, hell, it's, it's the Winston Churchill quote, right. If you're going through, hell keep on going. You just, you have to like. Pass through. Well, you know, and that's why Disney

Malcolm Collins (2): transitioned actually the, the leader of the cult, why was that during puberty they felt like they were becoming a new person and they didn't want to lose who they were.

Yeah. They were like obsessed with holding [00:35:00] onto this identity that they had at the time. Mm-hmm. Which I think is, you know, one of the problems with these people who are like life extensionist and everything, they, they, they want to maintain like a really stagnant iteration of who they are. But anyway, to keep going here.

And I'll note here that like before all of this, like men cross-dressing was you know, in some contexts even normalized, you go back, oh, it was, it,

Simone Collins: it was an art. It was pulled off. People like fully acknowledged it. Yeah. And, and also depending on the culture, you didn't even need to cross dress. A lot of people right now are talking about Indian couture shows, for example.

And then Indian historical male fashion and how in many periods of Indian history, men had even more elaborate dress than women. A lot of women are even now trying to buy some Indian couture lines that were like from, from their men's wear lines. 'cause it's so good. So like, yeah, it's just, it's this, this concept of like, men not getting to dress up fun or [00:36:00] men never having dressed like women is completely ridiculous.

Malcolm Collins (2): Yeah. Next here on keeping long hair, I only keep the long hair because it is my last shred of being trans, but it is too inconvenient. I was gonna cut it today, but I thought it would be embarrassing defeat and also conceding change of character that could get me reported, which I find interesting here that, you know, he's actually afraid of the trans community backlash from, from people realizing that we've met

Simone Collins: people who have det transitioned and just received intense backlash and had to literally change their entire careers just because they got frozen out of the industries that they had worked in.

Malcolm Collins (2): Well, this was an acting Yeah, yeah. It was

Simone Collins: in, yeah, like Broadway plays, et cetera.

Malcolm Collins (2): The, the urban monoculture is in incredibly intolerant. Like few people get discriminated more against than Detransition.

Simone Collins: Yeah, man, it's scary.

Malcolm Collins (2): Additional self-loathing tied to appearance. It's, it's the apostate thing.

Kill all apostates. That's way they I feel like feeling sexy and cute, but my face never [00:37:00] matches how I feel. I hate my face. Maybe that's why I like furry so much. You can give yourself a new body and face and it's like, well then you could have just done the furry thing and not the transition thing.

Yeah. Like this thing, like if one of our kids is like, I'm telling you like, somebody's like, oh, one of your kids comes to you and they're like, I think I'm a different gender. I'm like, well, why don't you, you know, have you tried being a furry as a furry? Right. Like, do that Right. Alright.

Simone Collins: Yeah. There we go.

Malcolm Collins (2): You don't need to transition to experience. Go into AI chat rooms is another gender. Use the voice changer. I don't effing care. Right. But you don't need to dedicate your entire life to validating this particular pathway of pleasure for you. Where comfort like, and I think people confuse, they're like, well, it's not pleasure.

It's like, I feel deeply uncomfortable. So what all of us do, things that make us feel uncomfortable. You go to work, you go to fricking high school all of that makes you feel uncomfortable. You do it 'cause you gotta and live life. Let's go over these individual trans shooters. 'cause I think a lot of them, you know, people will try to like pull the wool over your eyes about them.

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 4: Hmm.

Malcolm Collins (2): This one [00:38:00] here never gets reported in the trans shooters list and I don't know why. Okay. Very clearly trans. This is Randy Stair.

Simone Collins: You never heard of him?

Malcolm Collins (2): This is the Danny Phantom Killer. Mm-hmm. Well I'll read it and then explain.

Simone Collins: Okay.

Malcolm Collins (2): So, on June 8th, 2017 three killed, zero injured shooter died by suicide.

Randy Sta a 24-year-old employee at Wise Markets Supermarkets in Eaton Township, Pennsylvania. Arrived for his late shift, blocked stores entrance and exits to prevent escape. And then finally, shot three coworkers was two pistols before taking his own life. Ah, he was in writings left behind by Stare, outlined a detailed plan expressing deep ideation, fascination with Columbine, high school shooters, and inspired by anime's characters, Ember's, ghost Squad from Danny Phantoms.

Now if, if, if you look at this individual, they clearly had gender dysphoria. They regularly wrote about it before this happened. They wrote about wanting to be a woman, and actually the reason that they [00:39:00] did the shooting is they thought that after they, they did the shooting and committed.

Arriving that they would be reborn as a cartoon woman and a member of a all female cartoon ghost squad of singers. Oh,

Simone Collins: that's very specific.

Malcolm Collins (2): Yes. He, he was attempting to transition through mass shooting,

Simone Collins: shooting into a ghost squad. An anime girl. Yeah. Musical anime group. Mm-hmm. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Okay. Okay.

Malcolm Collins (2): Najee Mosley, transgender woman confirmed in police and news based on self-identification as records. A 26-year-old temporary employee at a right aid distribution center in Aberdeen, Maryland, open fire with a handgun during her shift, killing three colleagues and wounding three others before [00:40:00] turning the gun on herself.

Speaker 4: Oh.

Malcolm Collins (2): Now I'll, I'll note here. And, and what you're going to see with a lot of these is, they are what was I gonna say? They're young, very young often. And like early mid twenties. And that's because they got Shanghai into this very young, and this is when they sort of realized it's not working often.

Which is what we've noticed was, was we've talked about with trans individuals. You get all this posting during the euphoria phase. Mm-hmm. And then you get the dysphoria phase, which happens with a lot of people where they realize this isn't working at all the lung bombing

Simone Collins: ends. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins (2): And they stop posting.

So the public stop seeing it and doesn't normalize that what you have. 'cause you take these hormones and these hormones cause euphoria. We know this from like other studies, right? You're not having euphoria because you're, you're, you're trans, you're having euphoria because you're on happy drugs buddy.

And, and then you, you then it sort of normalize to the drugs. They stop working and you, you go, go kill a bunch of people. So Alec mc, Alec McKinney, a transgender man, [00:41:00] self-identified as transgender during the incident and in court, some claim trans due to so, May 7th, 2019, one killed, eight injured Alan McKinney, a 16-year-old student along with a compass.

Devon Erickson 18 carried out a shooting at STEM School Ranch in Colorado using handguns to target classmates in the classroom, resulting in the death of heroic student, Kendrick Castio, who charged the shooters and injured eight others and planned weeks in advance. And they did it for a desire for no notoriety.

And, and you'll note you see this regularly was the trans community here, but I've also seen it within the wider trans community is an obsession with mass shooters. And I'll note here, this is not rare, so, there's a great. Piece here, I'll put on screen here from Reddit, right? So what's happening in Reddit after this shooting, right?

I love, it's everyone on the right is like a really like freaked out face. And then they show what's happening with everyone on the left, right? And they're posting things like base take the [00:42:00] fight to their kids so they can feel what it's like to be attacked for your identity. Next one. Elect a fascist.

Your kids are legitimate targets. Republicans are enemies of humanity. And th out the herd is our duty. Next post, more dead Christians, LOL all caps.

Speaker 4: Next

Malcolm Collins (2): post to me, it seems like if you elect a really bad guy that's cruel and people weaponize, its cruelness and horrific behavior against you and your neighbors.

Some of those are horrible. Next post, maybe their Chris Joe fascist parents will think twice before supporting an admin that kills Palestinian children. Next post conservatives want to kill all trans and shouldn't be surprised when we fight back next post heroic. They want to kill our kids. We are going to fight back next post.

You know, actually you guys don't need to see all of this. You can like pause it and read it if you want. The point being is it is normal to laed violence of this variety within the trans and far left community. This individual and many of these other individuals expected to be seen as heroes [00:43:00] within their community and were seen as heroes within their community for killing.

Innocent individuals. I mean, these are kids in a lot of these instances. And I think that that's something that we need to remember as well is, is that these individuals are just pure hedonism, maxing in, in terms of what they're doing. And the people around them are through not even attempting to see what the other side is seeing.

Like if you look at our other videos on trans stuff, we point out that, and there's a great video we do where we go really deep in the detail on this. It is a complete lie in fabrication. That transition lowers the risk of unliving yourself. It does not. The, the UK basically banned it like last year.

And the rate of suicide among people was gender dysphoria did not go up statistically

Speaker 4: speaking. Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins (2): The, the, and there's been lots of studies on this. There was a study at the Travis, was it the not the Travis Travis, I think it was the Travis doc one, where it came out that they had covered up a study that showed that giving children puberty blockers was actually increasing the risk of self-harm and [00:44:00] unloving thoughts.

And in court, what we talked about in the other video the leading Protran lawyer had to admit that there was literally zero evidence of this. Mm-hmm.

If you want to source other than us for this, a great place that collates a lot of the evidence, but not as much of the evidence as video we did on this was the Atlantic Herb article, the liberal misinformation bubble about use gender medicine, , how the left ended up disbelieving the science. And so you can see even leftist sources are now admitting, , no, it, it doesn't, you, you are not helping a person by transitioning them, , at least in regards to probability of unli.

Malcolm Collins (2): It, there's a lot of studies that, that trans people would like bat around, but they actually don't show what the community pretends they're showing.

And I would suggest that you go look at that other video we did on this, where we go into a lot deeper this particular point because it, it is one of these like chilling things when you actually realize, oh, what. If anything, and we've also pointed this out, when you consider the fact that once you are in this community, you have a 50 to 40% chance of [00:45:00] attempting unli you're almost certainly by allowing this mimetic virus to continue to spread within communities, increasing the death risk of people who are susceptible to it.

Not almost certainly, you very obviously are, you can just do the math in your head. If people didn't know that obsessing over this was an option and they treated this just like any other kink or predilection they, they wouldn't get into these death loop obsession loops about this stuff. And then they wouldn't end up in these really horrible positions in life.

And I also noted to the other guy when he's like, why do, do you, you know, not want to just allow them to like remove themselves from the gene pool? And I was like, because like, just because somebody has like autogynephilia or you know, likes to cross dress doesn't mean I want to exterminate them, right?

Like I'm literally the exact opposite. I'm like, they should stay in the gene pool. They should stay a productive member of society and we can find ways to work around that that's not sterilizing a 16-year-old child, you know? But anyway. Any thoughts, Simone, before I go further? [00:46:00]

Simone Collins: Well, you're not sterile.

I mean, it doesn't matter what age someone is if you're making sure they don't reproduce it, it just someone who has certain tendencies. But yeah, I mean, I'm, I'm with you on that and I'm, I'm just, I think that your theory that what's going on is people are just killing their inhibitory control. And they're gonna have a lot more, although you would expect them to see, I think more obese trans people.

Malcolm Collins (2): You see a ton of obese trans people. You just don't see them on media. Oh,

Simone Collins: I'd say the

Malcolm Collins (2): average trans person I see. Because I lived in Silicon Valley, so I knew a lot of like the trans coders and stuff like this. Yeah. And there's way so many trans people, they work in ai, they work in coding great people.

Like if, if we could not have them exercise themselves from the human gene pool and just found a more productive way of dealing with these impulses, like, that'd be great. It's not like on average. I think that when people go into trans identities, they're evil. But in Silicon Valley and knew a bunch of trans coders, obesity was really common.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Actually, now that I'm thinking about the trans people that we've met in the wild, it is less common to see one that shows signs of immense [00:47:00] conscientiousness. Even like very basic things that women do, like fairly meticulously manage their hair and makeup and clothing. You actually do see this less commonly with trans women, arguably men at many events where there are lots of trans women are more meticulously upkept than the trans women.

I've seen with, of course exceptions. There are some people who pull it off really well but they don't seem to be the norm. So yeah, I guess it also sort of depends on the way that you approach trans. Like if someone had to be trans. It would be better if they're trans in the way where they're like really doing the work and like building inhibitory control and like doing really hard stuff to transition instead of what the norm of transitioning is, which is, all right, now we're just gonna do whatever makes us feel good in the moment.

Which is more what we saw with, oh, what's that [00:48:00] journalist giant Tess woman?

Malcolm Collins (2): I don't remember.

Simone Collins: Yeah. But,

Malcolm Collins (2): Oh, with Vivian? Vivian no, sorry. Anna Vallen. Anna Valence Anna, absolutely. I think Anna Vallen is

Simone Collins: more indicative of having fallen into the trans culture of do what makes you feel hed sonically best in the moment.

Whereas there are other notable less common trans women who are doing really hard, like have made their lives harder and are leaning in and working harder as women and, and post-transition. Well,

Malcolm Collins (2): they working hard towards their own self validation, which is just their own pleasure. Right? Like, yeah, I guess that's still dangerous, but I still think that

Simone Collins: they're building more inhibitory control which at least is going to make them less likely to become random master.

But,

Malcolm Collins (2): but your, your purpose in life is not pleasure, right? Like it is not self doubting. Yeah. Or, or,

Simone Collins: or yeah. Some kind of identity. But I think so many people are guilty of having a self identity. And I think there is, there's a difference between living your life dedicated to pursuit [00:49:00] of hedonism and self-identity, which can involve a lot of work.

A lot of work, and a lot of discipline. I mean, think about all the people who like starve themselves or go to the gym for like eight hours a day to look a certain way, right? Like they have very strong inhibitory control. So they're less likely to fall victim to the specific issue that you're pointing out here, which is inhibitory control issues.

So I would say that there are two moral failings that we're concerned about, but like the one that has to do the most with the school shooter program problem is more the, I'm just gonna indulge in every feeling and impulse that I have issue.

Malcolm Collins (2): Right. Well, and this is what, and I think that you, the Vivian's, you know, I'm gonna skip here.

I'm just gonna list the names of the trans mass shooters or the maybe trans mass shooters and go straight to the Vivians. 'cause I think they're more interesting, the Zzi, the Zions Zian. 'cause they claimed that everything they were doing was for the betterment of like, humanity. That they were like the only good people out there.

They had developed this system to be truly good and to dedicate yourself towards [00:50:00] protecting humanity. And yet every single one of their murders was the most petty and selfish and self-serving thing any human could ever do. I'm gonna

Simone Collins: run my landlord through his back. Like, that's not gonna make the world better to stab with their parents.

You

Malcolm Collins (2): don't have to get a job. You know, like Yeah. They were all the worst humans. And their actions show that that almost conceivably could exist. Yeah. Where if you look at us like another offshoot of the AI movement who's gone in another direction, as I said. Your goal in life isn't pleasure, it's not self validation.

It's not to create some image of yourself and force everyone to see you that way. It is to make the future of humanity better. Yeah. Okay. It is. To dedicate yourself to the future. And preferably, one of the best ways you can do that is through finding a partner and raising children. Right? And this is very difficult to do and it requires a lot of, well, raising

Simone Collins: children in a way that empowers them and makes them, so first of all,

Malcolm Collins (2): just read through the list.

We've got Anderson, Lee Aldrich [00:51:00] here. This was a non-binary person who shot up the gay club. We got Audrey e Hale here. This was a transgender man. We've got Kimberly Riker here. This, there was a transgender man. Yeah, there's a couple. This one, Kimberly Riker was a male who people are like, oh, they weren't trans, but there's clearly pictures of them on Facebook with.

Prosthetic breasts on and dress like a woman. And it's like, that's a little, even if they're not trans, there's clearly something going on there, right? Like they're not, you know,

Cis male here if they're showing that off on Facebook. Then we've got Dylan Butler here, gender fluid and non-binary.

He thi, thi this was wait, was this the, i'll just cut this out. I'm just checking which one that it was. We've then got Guinness, Ivan Moreno, AKA, Jeffrey, escalate gender fluid and transgender. We then got NA, Natalie Samantha Oppo. This one was the one that we covered in the other one. There have been some [00:52:00] rumors that this girl who did the school, my shooting was trans, but it hasn't really been confirmed.

I would say this is the least likely to be actual trans member on the list.

Speaker 4: Okay.

Malcolm Collins (2): We've then got Robin Westman, a transgender woman with gender certainty in manifesto. But I wanna, I wanna talk about the Vivians because I find this so interesting. Zzi, ZZI, Zian. Okay. The Border Patrol agent, right.

So Theresa Milo a trans individual who used, they then pronouns and Felix Ophelia, another transgender woman, allegedly ambushed and fatally shot a US border patrol agent David Myland. During a traffic stop near the Canadian border they had, like, in their cars, they were talking about this on another show, they had like filled the car not

Simone Collins: to record it.

Yeah,

Malcolm Collins (2): yeah. It was like assault, full tactical

Simone Collins: gear, like a, like, infrared site, something like that. And they're like, what,

Malcolm Collins (2): what sort of cis women drives around in a car like this with a cis female friend, right? Yeah. Like, these people are clearly not women, women as we think of women. This is something else here, right?

No. But anyway

Simone Collins: I mean, I might have survival gear in [00:53:00] my, in my car, but not kill gear.

Malcolm Collins (2): Yeah. So they, they just killed someone because they stopped them at a traffic stop and they were afraid of having to deal with it. Like what? They basically went out wanting to kill someone for fun, is what we,

Simone Collins: yeah.

And I think the reason why the, the stuff in the car came up is that they did get convicted recently. And that the, the reason those things came up was that that was used as evidence that this was somewhat premeditated, maybe not, you know, against the, the specific person, but that they had planned to, to kill someone.

And it was very d everything did

Malcolm Collins (2): we have Alejo horde attack ZZI and members, including Emma Bani, transgender and Alexandra Le Layman, transgender Surya Dalio gender, not specified, but probably trans, non-binary. And so many legi gender, not specified, but probably trans or non-binary, allegedly attacked their landlord.

Curtis lined, stabbing him 50 times, gouging out an eye and impaling him, was a sword in a trailer park amid a rent dispute. Basically they had stopped paying, if I understand [00:54:00] their rent during COVID and a long

Speaker 4: time, a long time.

Malcolm Collins (2): You have to pay your rent. And they're like, no, because we're special people who get to do whatever makes us feel good in the moment.

Like this is a group that said that they were dedicated to trying to make the world better through like effective altruism and stuff like that. And literally didn't produce a single thing of value over the course of their entire existence. You look at like what we and the Hardy a community have produced or the prenatal community exists.

You've got PIA io, like an entire automated school system. You've got the whistling Do AI system an AI that you can enter, give to your kids, like instead of stuff to animals. It brings the conversation back to educational topics. Right now, I've been making a lot of progress on our fab.ai, which is gonna make it so much easier to do AI safety work.

We've got if, if you go back in time, five bestselling books, not a single book from these people, right? You, you've got daily podcast episodes. They have like occasional substack posts. It was the most that they could, they could muster literally nothing. What were they doing all day? It wasn't like one person, right?

Like what [00:55:00] the, were they doing all day?

Simone Collins: Right. Well, they were even trying to do what? Uni un hemispheric sleep or something. So like they, they weren't even sleeping, you know, they had more time than we did.

Malcolm Collins (2): They're literally just orgies all day. That's all I can imagine.

Simone Collins: I don't think they actually saw that much action.

I don't get that. I,

Malcolm Collins (2): I, no, I mean, it's a whole group of trans individuals, trans, I think they were, they

Simone Collins: were somewhat frozen out though by like, the rest, rest of the rationalist and IC communities. Yes, but they had

Malcolm Collins (2): each other's bodies, so. Oh, oh, you're not, you're not, don't do that to me. Don't do that to me.

Simone Collins: No. Mm, no. We're not going there. Let's move on.

Malcolm Collins (2): Just constant heating as a Maxine. So I, I think that you see this, if you look at sort of these two, you could call them like radical split offs from the, the EA community. Which one is actually getting stuff done? It's ours, right? Like we, I pointed out now are like six times bigger nativism versus like a rationalism or effective altruism or you know, AI safety, it's like six times bigger on Google.

Like we actually are doing [00:56:00] more than the entire old community is. These people somehow did even less than the old community did, and they were infected by the, the, the virus here, like this mimetic virus. The next one here Delaware County parental homicides, the death of Richard Ziko,

Parents of Zian member Michael Ziko, a transgender woman.

Were ruled homicides by gunshot wounds. They, they never got the g the girl I'll say. And notice either all different people. This is like a giant cult of transgender people. Right. Maya Sek suicide follower, Maya Sek trans unlive themselves after psychological manipulation by the trans individual zz.

Using techniques like ferric sleep, a form of sleep deprivation and mind control to zap emotions.

Simone Collins: Un hemispheric sleep. That's what they called it. Yeah. Classic cult tactics, sleep deprivation.

Malcolm Collins (2): Other ones that were Ted to the group. Let's see. There were I can't find any Anyway. Yeah, really scary nut jobs.

And [00:57:00] I think that. What you see here, and I, because I wanted to, the reason I wanna go into ZI sent this, this is what you see here, is it's not just a lack of emotional control, but an inability to produce. Hmm. If you wanna see another video where we talk about this in a lot of detail check out our video, the Wachowski Effect.

This is the term that I hope people pick up, where we talk about how people can be really good at something like the Wachowskis were good at movie making until they transitioned and then all of their movies were terrible. Or you could look at like the Dragon's age games. The team was largely the same from the early games to the later games.

But what changed that the team leans transitioned and were like, look, this person wrote amazing dialogue. Like they, some of the people who worked on veil Guard were like some of the key people in like, mass effect too, right? Like

Speaker 4: the problem

Malcolm Collins (2): wasn't the writer, it was the transition. And we have some hypotheses around that, but I'm gonna add a new hypothesis now.

Transitioning just makes it incredibly hard to do, like effective work after you transition because you become so you, you know, because you've already made [00:58:00] these massive sacrifices for validation and self-affirming. It's very hard. It self affirmation. Self affirmation that your purpose in life has nothing to do with those things.

And those things are just a sign of your sin. You know, and I, and I don't even mean sin in a Christian since here, is, is you have lived only for yourself. You have taken this beautiful gift of being a part of civilization and life and then spit it. It, because anything you do to just make yourself feel a certain way is just masturbation was extra steps.

You basically spent it masturbating in a corner while the rest of us were out there, you know, lifting giant rocks to build civilization.

Simone Collins: Not a good look,

Fun thing I learned from a fan, , that I had no idea. , Buck Angel, you know the famous trans man who is rip really hated by the trans community gets he against child transition and stuff like that. This seems like a standup guy. Anyway, uh, he, um, was [00:59:00] married to the woman. Who then ended up marrying one of the Wachowskis.

So she divorced Buck Angel, got one of the Wachowski brothers to divorce his wife. They got married and then he transitioned just like her previous partner had transitioned. And she was a professional dominatrix. , And this influenced a lot of the aesthetics of the movies. , And it seems like she may have had a fetish around getting her partners to transition given it happened multiple times.

Malcolm Collins (2): final thought, Sonam.

Simone Collins: I like your theory better than the more pervasive theory now, which is that these are just mentally disturbed people. And because the trans movement is a thing now, that's just where mentally disturbed people are going. Like asthma, Gold's general conclusion seems to be we just need to be setting people to asylums more just asylums, bring back asylums.

I will gladly pay my tax dollars for asylums. But I think this is, I like this more, and I like that really the, the key thing to fix is [01:00:00] the culture. You, you don't need to necessarily commit these people. These could have otherwise been productive people in society. The problem is that they were given justification to lean into their demons, and that's not good.

And you lean what happens into one

Malcolm Collins (2): demon and you lean into, and we can't even say it's a demon. Now I can say this about other kinks. I can be like, that's probably something you shouldn't engage with a ton, right? Like maybe. Lean back from that and don't make that take, take Anna Valence, right? You know, Anna Valence made if, if you look at a lot of her work like outside of the work that she does with Vice or whatever, right?

Mm-hmm. Core kink of hers was killing people. This is a trans person who did the kirsha stuff like attacked Cure, shot of the blue, the beautiful and saintly Fox girl from Boston. And she made up all these stories and, and used what was it, vice or something, to, to attempt to create this big spear campaign against Keisha.[01:01:00]

And it didn't work blow up in her face, but her key thing, like, she talks about it in the very first Vice article she did, that her personality, like her sexual personality is as a giant who like stomps on people. And that she regularly like as a big source of income for her. Or not a big source, but you know, it's, it's one of her, like, it appears that she spends at least 50% of her online social capital on this sort of a persona.

And it's like. I've got nothing against you if something like that turns you on. Right. But don't make it key to your public identity. Right? Like, you don't need to spend a ton of time on this. It's just all of us get a random roll of the dice of what turns us on, right? Yeah. And sometimes environmental stimuli may affect that fine, whatever, but largely speaking, it's not something we control, therefore, it's not something that is an important part of our identity.

Yeah. And if you make it an important part of your identity, then you end up validating every other random effing impulse you have. [01:02:00]

Simone Collins: Well, and I mean, one thing that you have highlighted from the very beginning of your thinking through the best ways to live in the Pragmatist Guide to Life, the identity that you encourage people to choose is kind of the last step.

It's, this is first thing you establish your objective function, that which you believe holds inherent value. Then you, you need to establish your what do you call it? Source of evidence. Sort of a how you determine what is and is not true. So then you can establish an ideology of how to best maximize your objective function.

And then only after you've decided what has inherent value and what you wanna maximize your life, and only after you've built a theory as to how to best maximize that thing, do you start thinking what iteration of my identity, based on what I've been dealt like genetically in terms of my life, et cetera, would be best to maximize my objective function.

And then you build an internal and external identity that. [01:03:00] Is in service of those values. And so, yeah, I mean, what, what people are doing instead is, okay, well what's my, like what's this random kink I have? What's this random proclivity I have? And no, your identity shouldn't be built on these random things you've been dealt.

It should be built on, built on, informed by absolutely the things you've been dealt, but you should be picking and choosing things to play up and play down that are in service of something bigger than you. Which honestly I think leads to much greater contentment and happiness. So yeah, I'm with you on that.

And I'd encourage people to read The Pragmatist Guide to Life 'cause I think it's pretty good on this stuff. If you're feeling lost, makes my life completely free of fomo. So that's nice.

Malcolm Collins: Have a good one. Talk to you in the next room.

Simone Collins: Love you. While you're getting set up, you need to choose a color and font for your live laugh, love [01:04:00] art commission.

Malcolm Collins: Okay. Do Candyland. That works

Simone Collins: Candyland. Okay. There was this one legislator that he absolutely hated. And so when he wrote his veto for the legislator, he wrote it in a series of lines. But then if you read the first letter of all the lines, it read F-U-C-K-Y-O-U, and then the, the next day, like, you know, like a, what do they call 'em?

Acrostic poems. But the next day in a press conference, the, the press picked up on it right away they found it. And they were like, did you, did you know this? And he's just like. Oh well, no, I had no idea, but it was a blatant lie. 'Cause he did that 100% on purpose. 'cause he hated that legislator and that just makes him so lovable.

Absolutely lovable. Another thing that he, he did at one point, which I'm totally wanna steal, but if this were our kids' crime, we would be so lucky. One of his kids would not turn off lights when he left the room. And of course, Austrian Arnold [01:05:00] Schwarzenegger. I mean, Germans and Austrians are very disciplined about turning off lights.

You don't waste electricity in, in Europe. So he got really mad when his son would never turn off the lights. And he was about our, our kids' age, like five or six. And he, he was like, every time you don't turn off the light, I'm gonna take away a light bulb and. The kid was like, well, I'm not worried about dad.

'cause he had a chandelier in his room. But then every time Arnold would take away another, another light bulb until finally there were no light bulbs left in the chandelier. And the kid was really afraid of going to bed without any lights and Yeah. I mean, we already do. Yeah. We, we, we threaten to take away live lights with with bad behavior.

But yeah, it's so lucky that his kids' naughty behavior was not turning off lights in our kids'. Naughty behavior is filling buckets. Chicken feed buckets full of water and dumping them on the floor such that our kitchen ceiling literally, it's raining. [01:06:00]

Malcolm Collins (2): Well, it's more fun that way, right?

Simone Collins: Isn't it though? Or have we checked

Malcolm Collins (2): on Octavian today or

Simone Collins: multiple times?

Yeah. Yeah. It, it is not gonna be any big deal that he's here. I mean, yeah, I'm Why are you

Malcolm Collins (2): checking on him then?

Simone Collins: Because he's my darling Smidgen.

Malcolm Collins (2): You, you need to just learn to

Simone Collins: let him. He's a little, he's a little hapless sometimes. Like I came down just now and was like, Hey, how you doing buddy? And he was eating all the snacks that I left for him.

But he is like, well, I'm good. I'm really thirsty. And I'm like, did you, are you aware of the fact that there's a large glass of water right here? And he's like, oh, thanks. Are you just gonna die? Like, are you just gonna expire? And I like, don't like feed you from the water cup. Like, sometimes I wonder about these kids, man.

Like remember how like they couldn't figure out blankets for the longest time.

Malcolm Collins (2): Mm-hmm.

Sleep on the floor. [01:07:00] Alright, I will get started here. Okay.

Speaker 17: Okay. What are you two doing

on Dad? On Dad Torsten? Well, that is not safe, Titan.

Speaker 19: It doesn't hurt at all. What are you little b******s doing? Stop it. It stuff not hurting. Why that isn't safe? That's just not hurting.

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