i think we're doing much better than we have the right to expect to be honest and partially that's a knock on people like me who assumed the way we'd make progress on this global issue is by a globally binding treaty of some description. We've made progress largely because technologies of cheap and carbon-free energy have developed so rapidly. you need sort of a private initiative to leverage government we definitely need for government involvement even just purely on a financial level i had said i hadn't thought about that before this conversation that way there's one big topic that you alluded to before which is climate.

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