Borders are wealth hoarding mechanisms like plain and simple it's keeping the resources earn at the expense of other people here so that they can't actually participate in the wealth that's gained yeah. The United States has caused 1.9 trillion dollars in climate damage to low and middle income countries between 1990 and 2014 even while profiting as new countries like Canada Germany and Russia from carbon-polluting industries right? It reminds me a lot of crime discourse which you'll say well you can't do the crime don't do the time exactly it's like yeah but there are factors that inform those decisions that are based on inequities and racism and all these historical currents, he says.

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