Stephen's mom and dad are very secretive when it comes to their past. Both sides of his parents' families were absolutely messed up. They had a lot to play into who they were. It seems like this like manipulation and control is definitely like something that came from what was your your mother's parents like? Because you said your father's parents were were very emotionally abusive and just basically abusive. Yeah. So there's so much to impact there. She I didn't know this. My mom, my actual grandmother, she died. And my mom blames her father for that. Now, I don't know fully what that means.

Get the Snipd
podcast app

Unlock the knowledge in podcasts with the podcast player of the future.
App store bannerPlay store banner

AI-powered
podcast player

Listen to all your favourite podcasts with AI-powered features

Discover
highlights

Listen to the best highlights from the podcasts you love and dive into the full episode

Save any
moment

Hear something you like? Tap your headphones to save it with AI-generated key takeaways

Share
& Export

Send highlights to Twitter, WhatsApp or export them to Notion, Readwise & more

AI-powered
podcast player

Listen to all your favourite podcasts with AI-powered features

Discover
highlights

Listen to the best highlights from the podcasts you love and dive into the full episode