What This Debate Reveals About COP30's Challenges

As COP30 plays out in Belém, Brazil is trying to present itself as a climate leader while also moving ahead with a new offshore oil project. CBC’s Susan Ormiston has been on the ground in the Amazon and inside the conference halls. She tells us why this decision has hit such a nerve, what she heard from Indigenous leaders who fear what’s coming, and why others in the region see the project as a long-overdue opportunity.