I might tell you how your vital energy is, uh, focused or something. Yeah. It will tell

you, yeah, it'll tell you a little bit, but what about the, what house is it in? What are its aspects? How does it relate to the rest of the horoscope? Without that, it's not going to tell you much. Mm hmm.

Right.

And so kind of another

like

beginner into astrology question is how did the ancient astrologers actually interpret the meanings of the planets and the moon and the sun? Like, what was that process like? Oh, it's, it's for example, we, we have their notes. This is one of the amazing. We've got their notes. This, the, the huge benefit of, um, ancient Mesopotamia was that they wrote on clay tablets and it baked them into bricks. And there are in the British Museum, in some other European Museum, there were whole warehouses of these things. Written, you know, clay tablets covered with astrological writings. What happened was that people got the idea, um, it'd be about 5, 6,000 years ago. People got the idea that maybe these amazing moving stars, moving lights that were moving against the background of the stars, that they were in some sense connected to events on earth, they were gods of the messengers of the gods. And wow, what if we study them? What if we track what they're doing and compare them to what happens on earth? Okay. And so it was a, it was an empirical science. Astrology is still an empirical science. It's not a matter of dogma. It's a matter of, well, how did that work for you? And again, we've got their notes. We know that for literally thousands of years, priest and priestesses perched on top of these big mud brick pyramids, ziggurats, as they were called, in Mesopotamia, up, you know, where you do the blowing sand is much lower down. And there you are looking at the glorious clear night sky of the Middle Eastern desert. And okay, look, there's that little red one, the one we call Nergal. Oh, how does that relate to? Ooh, there's, let's see if there's going to be a war. The last three times this happened, there was a war. Guess what? There was a war. We call Nergal Mars these days. So yeah, they did it on the basis of experience, of tracking things in a very scientific fashion. Okay, how did that work for you? And so that kind of actually political astrology was now called mundane astrology, was the oldest kind of astrology. Natal astrology only came long because people started, some of these people started saying, okay, well, I understand that a new crown prince has just been born. And what were the stars doing at the moment of his birth? Well, let's see, Nergal was here and Shamash was there and so on through the Babylonian names of the planets. And wow, okay, what happened? We have some other sharks of what happened when princes were born. How does that work? And so with that, give it 2003,000 years of hard work and detailed record keeping. And okay, well, we've got a prince born. Okay, how do, oh, wow, yeah, okay, we got Shamash here, we got Nergal there and so on and so forth. There's Ishtar. Okay, this guy, this one's going to be lucky. Yeah. And then, and then after all of that immense body of detail had been gathered and synthesized and worked with by Sumerian, Babylonian and Syrian astrologers, the Greeks came on the scene. The Greeks loved us, loved geometry. And the Greeks were the ones who looked and then said, oh, we can construct a geometrical pattern called a horoscope. But look at these planets, these distances that you have, those are angles. Those geometrical angles, you know, seen with regard to the earth and their 120 degrees here and so on. And the Babylonians are going, what? But it took only a few centuries of these crazy Greek geometry fiends to create something very like modern astrology. In fact, the Hellenistic astrology that so many people are reviving right now was what happened when Greek geometry hit Babylonian arithmetic and 3000 years of astrological records and everyone went, whoa, this is cool. Or however you say that in ancient Greek. Right. Yeah. So a lot of observation, trial and error, writing thing, pattern, right? Exactly. Yeah, exactly. The same way that any science works. So do you consider astrology a science or an art? A science? Well, it's a, as with everything, it's a science, it's a technology and it's an art. Okay. In terms of the basic structure, the things you have to know, the research projects and so on, it's a science. And then the application to specific circumstances, that's where you start getting into art, just as building a bridge. Okay, you're building a bridge based on physics. There's a lot of science and there are a lot of mathematics, a lot of geometry. The actual making of the bridge, the actual design, that's where the art comes in. I like that. And I like it. So it's very similar. It's very similar. Yeah. Although if you mentioned that around a current scientist, they will have kittens on the spot. Do it. It's very

entertaining.