I didn't like the main hypothesis of string theory that particles were are in fact little strings. And I remember saying to, uh, Mike, but isn't it just really ugly? He got these kind of stars in his eyes and went on something which I saw a lot about later, you know, about how beautiful it was. It's one of those things that you really, um, now of course we have far more elegant. They had the most clumsy possible way of describing it and presenting it. Brute force kind of. But it's just it brute force.

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