A colleague satisfaction at work is producing as well because people feel like they can't express themselves. Being restricted by the rules, having to speak in a certain way, colleagues aren't happy with that. It's an awful place to be for both people on there. I do think when you really strip it back, and I was quite keen, I was hoping to make it too formulaic because that is hard. It really is just if in doubt, be that human person. There's a story that's not in the books."

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