i first met cameron george four or five years ago, i think, three case er 19 yright. So we're back here again in austin, texas, at pelio fex and i thought, you know it, we'd better just do this again because there's so much more happening in his life and his company. This is behind the sens podcast, which will be beautifully edited later on. You guys are going to see all the mistakes and, you know, things that happen when people walk by. It'll come out as an official release very soon.

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