I wonder to what extent even people that publicly stayed it actually believe it. Do the executives at Disney use that example that Ron DeSann has pushed back against in Florida? Do they really believe this or the Starbucks executive? You know, okay, we're going to put all our employees through this training program because of this incident if there's one store. I had a friend of mine who was on a BBC panel show with a number of experts and they all say it made their points and they got their rounds of applause from the audience for making their points. And afterwards, apparently, in the green room, they were all talking about the topic and they all said, yeah, I didn

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