Gathering Paradise

"I've always really struggled with him going into his work precisely because there's so much in the work that's being held," says Poemtalk host. "Whatever joy you get out of Ashbury, it's about finding these places of apparent sloppiness... That's not sloppiness at all", he adds. 'He doesn't give you a lot emotionally. He wants you to do all this other work then you do the work'