I think Marcelo Guase is one of my favourite judges of fires, because in a technical way, I think he's probably one of the best. Because raw technique and a bunch of different positions for submissions. He's not very powerful, physically he's not very strong, but he can make himself very strong and his technique is very, very high level. Hodger Gracie's statistics for most successful submissions? Choke from the back is the most. So, how do you explain that? Because people panic when I'm out. They turn the back. Actually just to continue, I wonder if John and Donna would agree with you about Mountain back. This is a bear versus lying

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