Is There a Cost in the Effort?

The cost in the effort just keeps increasing for that threat actor. That's really someone who is determined and is quite sophisticated, their approach to, to recognize and want to commit to that. Then another interesting dimension is looking at what times of the day they're working. Normally, nation state actors work office hours. It's part of their daily job,. So they start their activities like maybe eight, nine in the morning until four or five in the afternoon in whatever time zone they are located.