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How I Met Barry at the New York Times
David Frum: I don't think there's something in like a nefarious conspiratorial thing happening. Or at least that's not how I approach it. I simply approach everything of what is the truth here? What is this sort of empirical underlying data to support whatever we are being told? And I just keep digging and digging and digging to see if it seems true or not. How did you get in, how did you establish a relationship with Barry Cevallos? He had written a piece for Barry's website for her publication. We knew each other through that.