Is There a Real Presence in Nature?

Originally recorded by her for a different project, a sweet yarn with my friend Euvie Ivanova from Future Thinkers, an intentional community/metamodern/heterodox/sensemaking organisation. But I ended up asking most of the questions, and kinda stole the yarn away. Still you can find uninterrupted Euvie on her substack. http://euvieivanova.substack.com/ She has interviewed everyone from Jordan Peterson to me, and shares with us her experience of a largely male complexity science community encountering females being... well, complex... at the Emerge Conference in Austin, Texas (where good ideas go to die).