How Do You Make Small Talk?

I do something where I literally practice with people building on a conversation and making small talk on different topics. A conversation is, if you think about Jenga, right, you're putting blocks on top of the other blocks of the conversation. And so one of the things that gets in our way is that we either jump to really intimate conversations or we find it boring so it's hard to keep our attention. But there's many exercises and I even have some on my website to practice this.