Mar maris is one of the founders of per v c, and i am very fortunate. I've worked for the last decade with hundred plus start ups worth over a hundred billion dollars. When i invest there's actually nothing. There is no product, there's no customers. There's just the founders. So you wouldn't be surprised many people ask me what makes a good founder? And there's a bunch of characteristics you gogeAh, people come up with a bunch of things like risk taking, brazilians, ambition, et cetera.

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