I probably, this was 10 years ago. We were both working at the story with Dick Gordon, which was a national public radio show. We were both producers and I had been away for a while. And I don't know, I just had taken a break from being a producer. And when I came back, Lauren had begun working as a producer. And for some reason, they put us in the same little work area. We had two desks, but it was a cubicle situation. And I didn't know who Lauren was and I was just really focused on pitching really good stories. And I think I was wearing a blue jean jacket with holes in the elbows, probably. Just shredded, shredded. But not on purpose. I mean, out of way or not on, not, it was in a fashion statement. And probably a pair of blunt stones. I think you

might have been wearing square toad fry boots.

Yeah. Well, it was what?

And you're wearing about 65 silver bangable bracelets that went all the way up to you. You could

change one thing about working with me over the past 10 years. Would it be my bracelets? Oh my

God. That's a

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