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216. Drilled, Baby, Drilled!

Outrage + Optimism

CHAPTER

Leadership in Storytelling and Standing Against Persecution

The hosts express their gratitude to Amy Westerbell for her leadership in storytelling and discuss the importance of people standing against persecution for protecting national security. They also admire Amy's ability to communicate passionately without being threatening and appreciate her strategic approach to accountability.

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