What happened where at one point the internet was supposed to be this place where freedom would reign supreme, and eventually gets overtaken, and you have the companies that are the start ups eventually become the companies that are, quotequote, are overlords. You cand take the quotes out if you'd like. But i'm curious, from your perspective of somebody who's a little bit older than man, has seen the evolution and clearly is very interested in thes topic, what

happened exactly? I can tell you what happened. What happened is that personal computers as we know them were not built to be networked. So the internet, when the internet emerged, it was this kind of naturally evolved system or architecture. You probably know te the cartoon canned history, how it grew out of military research, darpa and so on. At that time, a, you know, there were main frame computers, right? So, so there's main frame computers, these big, massive, expensive things that only like, big unit organizations could have. Then on those main frame computers emerges this a kind of haphazard, slowly growing internet architecture with the protocols that we know of today, like h t t p and s m t p, s m t p and all these things that now define what is the current internet stack. But that internet stack was, as i said, a it it evolved or emerged on top of these main frame computers. Then comes the personal computer revolution. Right? So if you think about that, the personal computers that we have were made in the context of an internet that itself was built with the main frames in mind, ok. And so what is tha wisest matter, you know, where where am i going with this, with this kind of, you know, convoluted a weird, obscure history? The reason this really matters is because what it means is that personal computers, which came after this, a internet stack that we have to day ar were never made to be net worked. And so for our computers to network, how do we have to do it? We have to run through big corporations. It's the only way that makes sense with the current, with the internets current architecture. So that's essentially the problem. Is for for millions or billions of people to share messages on something like twitter or facebook, you need to have companies that run the servers, right? Because our drowsers and our computers are our clients, right? That that connect to the servers. But the servers are massive and hugely expensive. But that client server relationship, that client server architecture, is just an artifact of that internet net working stack, which was based on this old main frame worldo the big main frame computers. Ok? So that architecture, the client servant, the client server architecture doesn't need to be how the internet is organized. That doesn't need there's nothing saying that that's how we have to design our net working, right? So the reason i'm interested in projects like herbet is because herbet basley comes along and says, well, wait a minute. What if we just re designed the personal computer in a way that all these computers could talk with all the others, so we don't need to go through these big servers? What if every computer was just made to be a server from scratch? There's no technical reason why you can't have that. The only reason we don't have it to day, on our default, you know, personal computers, is because of this weird, convoluted, obscure internet computing history. In the way the things, the way the things tended to work arbitrarily or contingently in the messiness of history. Basically the reason the internet today is so bad is an accidnt, essentially. And so herbit, and other radical projects like herbit, basely say, what if we just rewrote everything from scratch so so that this made sense, and we actually all had control over our computers and our data and our networks.