Bhat: Religion is such a big word, and so loaded an whatever you want to call it. There are naturalists that want to have, almost build a naturalistic religion. I just say, ok, well, there's no god. Maybe there is. A but, but, but, if not, i still think we should lead a moral life. Bhat: For most specific practitioners, or practitioners of specific religions, there are so many factors that are built into it. Some of it is purely contingent, historical. You're born into a society that was predominantly following this religion. And all of a sudden, you're practising something. Well, hap me,

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