Narcissistic family members are master manipulators. They're like diamond level players at emotional manipulation. So if they're emotionally manipulative and you're emotional, you've lost. That's the counter so what you need to do is, like, manage your own emotions. We're going to teach all a little bit of meditation to day. And that's, i'm not really debating you guys. Like we're talking about narcissism, or kay it's gong to be the common thread here.