What Was Your First Psilocybin Experience?

TZ: I was leading a very much a dual life. At the same time, I was working with a group in Menlo Park who had permission from the federal government to run basically a psychedelic clinic. And so I became their psychologist, as they were really discovering how best to give high dose sessions. They developed the living room, music, eye shades, all of that was developed by this group in the early 60s. So culturally, I was not an outlaw like TZ, and I didn't know those people very well. As it looked like more psychedelics could be used for consciousness research, I pursued what certainly on the outside appeared to be a fairly conventional life.