Speaker 2
Well, I want to remind our listeners that Brian Lowry's book Selfless, the social creation of you is available at booksellers everywhere. As you think about this future, this 300 year in the future, time period, how do you think, I mean, do you have a sense of how, like, you know, whether it's AI or whether it's our politics or climate change? Do you ever see a world in which the usefulness of the sense of self is no longer there? And we kind of dissolve into some other kind of state of being because of the way that we've chosen our social interactions or I don't know. That's
Speaker 1
a really good question. I it's hard for me to predict. I have no good sense. I think it will it evolve? Yes. And I think it's hard to see how it evolved because it's, it seems just the experience of it is that it just is. It doesn't feel like something that is mutable. It feels like the nature of humanity. And I don't, I'm pretty sure that's not true. So here's what I'm confident is likely to change the boundaries around the groups that we use to define ourselves will change. So for example, race, the nature of race will change in 300 years, I'd be shocked if I mean, obviously I will be dead, but I'm pretty confident that the way we conceive of race is not the way we conceive that's 300 years from now. I'm pretty confident that nations won't exist 300 years from now in exactly the same way they exist now. And these are things that are about the self. And I find that really interesting, right? So I will just for example, nations are only about 200 years old. The idea of the nation state as we currently understand it is, yeah, two at most 300 years old. And people take that as just a given. That's how it's always been. That's just not true. So geopolitics will almost certainly shift and not just in terms of the power of what nation is more powerful, but the organization of it, I imagine will shift. And as those things shift, I assume they'll have unforeseen, you know, almost too complex to understand consequences for the way each individual understands themselves too. So the self could shift in ways that I just I have, I don't know what that will look like, but probably, yeah. I think the way we organize the economy, like the exchange between individuals, like material exchange almost certainly will shift, right? So capitalism, as we understand it, is also relatively recent as a way to manage things, like as a way to organize on purpose, that probably will shift. And again, what will the effect of all these things be on how people understand themselves? Who knows, but pretty sure it'll be different.