Boris Johnson and Theresa May: A Race to the Bottom

I don't know who fired the first shot, but ultimately, I think it just became a bit of a race to the bottom. It felt like in the same way that obviously Johnson has this particular co-tree of supporters around him now, those people tend to be pretty anti-dominant Cummings as well. Did you feel that with Boris Johnson when he was Prime Minister, that it was inevitably going to end in tears? Every day, what would succeed him? It's hard to know, and I didn't know the guy very well when I came in, and the more I think about it now, I'm not sure I ever did get known him that well.