Rob Berbea is a spiritual teacher out of the UK who teaches at Gaia house. He's most well-known for his work with emptiness in the book, Seeing that Freeze. Rob and I had a conversation before this that was recorded but due to connection problems, it really didn't flow in the way that I would like. And so I'm releasing the conversation you're about to listen to first because it just feels much more lovely than what I wanted to create.

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