i think i can just use myself as an example for this. It took a long time to sort of merge myself with my job roll in a way that made me feel like i was doing the maximum i could do, like making the best contribution. So from a management perspective, i'm pretty open. If someone wants to spend 12 months because tey think they want to be a data scientist, i'm like, cool. You're going to learn a bunch of stuff, and that's tha' The best career advice i ever got was from gillian triggs, who used to be the president of the human rights commission in australia. And she's like, i would spend