Product Management and Empowered Engineering

We're also kind of really curious is what kind of tools did you use or are you using to help with that innovation and that agility aspect. And, and, and Mica, you mentioned that you guys had a new replacement old pain legacy system but what kind of things are you using either like technical tools or approaches like collaboration approaches to kind of embed that innovation and agility in your work?Mica: The heart of that is to really, they're really two things and it has less to do with specific technologies and more to do with sort of the core process. We don't still have any product management practice, you know, most mostly product management is equated to some sort of