I think that intuitively, I might have said the self is inside me and there's other things which are interactions with the rest of the world. So let's move on to the, where the rubber hits the road here for you, this claim that um, the self is very social, very created by a community. It pushes against the idea that most of us probably, um, feel or way we experience ourselves as essential,. essentially they are like a soul.

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